Curse

Carmina · Feb 27, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

/NOTSIGNED... leave Survivor the way it is.

You died... you didn't survive... argue however you want, you didn't make it.

Now if it was retroactive (i.e. you've died now but before getting killed (read death levelling Charr in pre-searing) you made a title) then I'd support that. Would love it if there was some way to measure how many titles you met or contibutions toward titles you made before the titles were established.

Survivor means you've survived. If you die, you don't get it. That's the definition of the title. Re-starting it as a level 20 defeats the purpose of it.

Drazaar · Feb 28, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

/signed

But im expanding that also they should try to implement some way to avod the afk leeching exp that people implement nowadays to make it.

It dilutes the true value of that title to the people who actually earned it to those majority that now basically sit at other peoples expenses in places to get there exp or just hire people to get the there exp.

Envious · Feb 28, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

/notsigned

It defeats the purpose of "survivor."

GourangaPizza · Feb 28, 2007, 09:55 AM // 09:55

/notsigned

Let's get reasonable, there are people who didn't start at the same time as you did. And changing the method of attaining this title is absolutely unfair especially to those with the titles currently.

Ilithis Mithilander · Mar 13, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

/signed

i was devastated when i learned that my characters from the first game could'nt even have a shot at the survivor title.

pjfresh · Mar 14, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

/not signed

It's fine the way it is. I do sympathise with the people who never got the opportunity, but this title is all about sacrifice. If it really means that much to you to have it, redo your character and earn it like the rest of us. With the Festival Hat maker, there is very little excuse for not doing so. Most everything (aside from customized weapons) can be reacquired/rebought/recrafted. I really want a Tengu Mask like you don't understand, but that is impossible for my character to ever get. Like someone wisely said above, you can't have it all.

"The reason a-net made titles like survivor and defender of ascalon was to have people go back and make new chars and make then have something more to do."

I kind of agree with this statement. I also think it was more of a reward for the hardcore people who never died before the title was introduced (yes, I did in fact meet one) and those rare level 20s in pre-searing.

Lastly, to the guy who said take away the title upon death after I've earned it... no thanks. So, that means I can never PvP with my survivor character? I've met the requirements and earned it, fair and square, why shouldn't I keep it?. So, by that rational, should we take away the Drunkard/Ale Hound title if we don't drink alcohol once a day/week?? Or that's like taking away the Purple Heart from a wounded vet just cause they're not wounded anymore. Stupid idea, no offense

pumpkin pie · Jul 05, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Counter Reset for survivor title. (Hope i explain it well below)

Since this thread is about survivor title, I won't start another one. How about, Okay now you have to not die till said amount of experience (level 20) to get survivor 1, so for a character that, say died at level 19, can still get survivor title IF they don't die until they reach level 20 + 20 skill points (meaning another 20 level). this way say a character that has die before the survivor title came out can now start to do the survivor title, but every time the character dies, the counter reset.

survivor after reaching level 3 can continue to gain survivor title in Hard Mode

hahaha, that would be fun.

Strange Guy · Jul 05, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

NO lol, so...basically you want things to be easier LAWL.

/notsign

I have a better suggestion. You have a 1 chance per character RESET the exp to be 0. All of th previous tittle such as LB, Sunspear, Wisdom, Treasure, cartographer...will be kept those deal with things like protector, Elite Skill hunter,... will be gone temp. When you get up to lv 20, all skills will be restore as before. Mission need to be done but no matter how you do, it will be master always. To be fair to other NEW survivor. the cap for the lv 3 Survivor is 3 mil instead!

Onarik Amrak · Jul 05, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

/notsigned

The one chance for exp reset sounds reasonable though.
Uhhh, 3 mil cap is insane.

Hong Kong Evil · Jul 05, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

i suggest a "Rebirth Scroll"

when you use this scroll, you lose all experience and go back to level one and go back to the new player island, your death counts are also reset

you are treated as a new char so the customized armors cannot be used(or you can equip them when you arrive lvl20), you cannot use heroes with higher level than you(or all your heroes are reset to lvl 1) and all the outpost are locked(you cannot teleport to the other town until you arrive there again, so you need run the map again and do some missions again)

MagmaRed · Jul 05, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

If you died, start again. If you have an OLD character from before titles were around, sorry, but you lose all progress, and restart. Death count reset is stupid. I have 6.5 millions experience, but have died over 1000 times. I have every elite and all primary class skills unlocked. Suddenly I am made level 1, so, do I still get use of my skills? If not, then you just remade your character. Yes, this would give you titles you would have lost by deleting the character, but it is unfair to those who earned the title the right way.

I have a Survivor now. I do not think allowing my other characters made before Factions was released to get the title is fair. Cry more, but this is not a title you can get if you died.

Dougal Kronik · Jul 06, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Extremely stupid to have any title be a one shot deal - you screw up, gone for good.

That's like saying you can only Vanquish an area on your first time entering in Hard Mode - screw it up and it's gone for good.

Definitely needs to be fixed.

Dervish Warrior · Jul 06, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

/Extreme Signing
Yes, i have a warrior, got legendary defender of ascalon, and now they tell me i cant get survivor

i definately want to see this idea in play

Bazompora · Jul 06, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

/signed
because 2-year-old characters have never gotten a fair chance to make an attempt for this title.

Gawa · Jul 19, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazompora

/signedMake it (Survivor Title) account wide
because 2-year-old characters have never gotten a fair chance to make an attempt for this title.

/signed to make the title account wide

:O :s I thought that Survivor was account wide... and that i would then get a chance to go for this title after i had learnt more about the game..

My first char is my main char, i have been playing him for the last 3 months. Do you mean to say that if i want to get the Survivor title i cant play my main char..?

Sorry, but that is rather odd and a little dissapointing.

(ok, i must say that i agree with some posters, that the title itself can be seen as a bit silly... ie.. it doesnt promote selflessness and defending other party members. I expect it is the rare person who gains the title without trying to gain it. That being said, the title is ingame, for better or worse, and thus should be attainable to any main character.)

Some titles are a grind, as this one would be. That is as maybe, but surely proving you can do it once, is enough for your account?

Making it account wide would not take away from anyone who already has the title, since that is the main argument against this change.

I would have expected the title to be account based. (i cant check wiki atm to confirm this, but from this thread i assume it is not account wide :/ )
If not, then i would definately suggest that Survivor Title be made account based.

If account based, then it is a matter of me, and players with chars who are older than the title's existance, of making a new char to get the title, which is then available over all chars.

To suggest that one should have to make a whole new character and for that char to become your new main char..just to attain one title..is flabergasting. I can accept that my current char cant get the title for himself since he died before i even knew about the title. What i find hard to belive is that, he as my
main char, can never be a "survivor", when i fact he could well be.

The title wasnt always here i believe, so it becomes a title for older players to go for, to keep interest etc. Thats fine, but only if it is achievable for those older characters... surely ANet wouldnt expect people to give up their long played chars, for a title..?

Faction, gained by one char even, is account wide.
One can make a 'farming' char, and then give the gold and items to your main char, account wide.
Not even being able to try for Survivor title, is an issue for some chars of some people, and this is a very easy, balanced fix, surely?

Does this not, with one small change, fix something which would give many players more incentive to play more... ie they would make a new char and try for survivor, knowing they can then link it to their main char. What harm is in that...seriously..it is us, humans, who make our chars achieve the titles...and it could be done with any class, therefore why not let peoples main chars use it. The grind would still need to be done to have the title.

ps ill have a laugh if in fact it is already account based and the people posting in this thread gave me the wrong impression heh :P

BlueNovember · Jul 19, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazompora

/signed
because 2-year-old characters have never gotten a fair chance to make an attempt for this title.

/agree.
I have r3 survivor on two chars, (exactly 1,337,500; that took some fiddling), but still want my other 2+ year old chars to have some sort of means to get the title without just restarting them. Losing 10+mill xp across them all seems fine with me.

dsnesnintendo · Jul 19, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

i like the idea but i fear it may become too easy witth our advanced characters maybe double the amount req or maybe im being silly

/signed

Reason · Jul 19, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

/notsigned,

I have an r3 Survivor that I worked hard for, I went out and risked it over 100times to cap skills, and to hand this title to older chars would make this title so worthless, it has the prestige attached to it (at least most of the time, since some people will play door for FFF instead of getting it legit) for a reason. I feel for the people who can't get it becuase they have an old char, but that is a just how it goes, live with it.

Gawa · Jul 19, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueNovember

/agree.
I have r3 survivor on two chars, (exactly 1,337,500; that took some fiddling), but still want my other 2+ year old chars to have some sort of means to get the title without just restarting them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reason

/notsigned,
I have an r3 Survivor that I worked hard for, I went out and risked it over 100times to cap skills, and to hand this title to older chars would make this title so worthless, it has the prestige attached to it (at least most of the time, since some people will play door for FFF instead of getting it legit) for a reason. I feel for the people who can't get it becuase they have an old char, but that is a just how it goes, live with it.

heh, two different views of people who have both gotten r3 survivor..
Impo i would say the first is balanced and sensible, whereas the second is a little bit selfish and exagetory (no offense :P)
I can understand the grind you went through, but surely you wouldnt want someone else to have to delete their char that they have put maybe months into..so they can 'prove' to you that they are equally as worthy of having the title as you? I cant see how it would be a worthless title if made account wide - the player still has to do the same grind.

Surely proving that one can do it on another char, is enough? Why must one delete a long played character into the bargain?

Hyper.nl · Jul 19, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

It would be nice to:

Be able to get this title on existing characters.
Be able to give it another try if you die somewhere half-way of your title.